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62 responses to “Apple Blocks Developers from Bypassing App Store”

  1. John Hilker

    This makes me sad that Apple even introduced the iPhone. An open phone capable of employing all of its abilities (like my Mac) would be so much more desirable than this walled in abomination.
    That was what I had hoped for, but Apple must know better 🙁

  2. Dan

    If you don’t like a walled phone, don’t buy one. If you’re a developer and don’t like Apple’s policy then don’t develop for the iPhone. Apple isn’t taking away your freedom of choice, they’re just limiting it as it relates to their products. You’re perfectly free to voice your opinion with your wallet.

    For the record, I’m an iPhone developer. The more developers that decide they don’t like Apple’s policy, the better it is for me.

  3. whoDean

    The Ad Hoc method was originally limited to 100 users by Apple and to be used only for testing, the Podcaster guy was using it as it was not intended.

    While I would prefer that Apple allow any non-harmful software the Ad Hoc runaround wasn’t right.

  4. Kevin

    And, like it or not, Apple’s approach is a good thing. While it unfortunately is using the policy to stifle some intriguing and useful products, the approval and vetting process Apple uses is ultimately to protect your phone from malware and hacking.

  5. Delusional

    The Apple right wing will argue till their leader changes to a white turtleneck.

    If this was how computers worked people would flip out.

    Trust me .. I as well a number of people will not buy into Apple’s closed system and you can all enjoy your sanctioned environement.

    I heard theres a church you can join in Texas .. seems you have much in common.

  6. JamesR

    I think I’m with Dan on this one. As a small iPhone developer myself I’ve not found ANY issue with how Apple does the selecting. Revenue wise I’ve made plenty with my two apps compared to several shareware Windows programs which make me almost nothing. Building an application for the iPhone that’s useful and unique is a good place to start, duplicating similar functions to what the phone already has is perhaps the wrong place to start. Would a clear cut standard be nice? Most certainly! Is such a guide coming, I don’t know though I expect so. Are there other smart phones to write for, yeppers (There’s a ton of WinMoblie out there, just don’t hold your breath on earnings). As much as I am sympathetic to this developers plight, the DRAMA around it does not do them any favour.

  7. Jeff

    Phew… I’m glad I went with the Samsung Instinct….

    😉

  8. whodean

    Really? How is the third party software system on the Instinct?

  9. Jeff

    The “wink” means I’m joking…

  10. whodean

    Duh, my sense of sarcasm is broken today.

  11. RebelScum

    There’s a similar discussion going on here: http://www.rgbfilter.com/?p=202#comments

    The skinny is, I’m a longtime Apple user, and this practice sickens me. Anyone who defends it is no better than parents who take their screaming child to a crowded movie and then defend his and their own actions because they can do no wrong in their eyes. It’s a bullshit practice, plain and simple. I’m of the opinion that, I bought it, I should be free to do whatever I want with it. I signed no waiver claiming that the iPhone “remains the property of Apple INc. and must be surrendered on request.” If I had, this would be a different story.

    If ANY WinMo device pulled this bullshit, they’d NEVER sell. Same goes for Symbian or Android.

    I love my iPhone, thoroughly. I’m just really starting to loathe the company behind it.

    Lo, the clonflict.

    @Jeff: Sammy INstinct?!? REALLY?? (Then again, I assume you’re on Sprint and not dealing with the severely gimped version we have up here…although gimped or otherwise, that browser, um, sucks 🙂

  12. Constable Odo

    I’m for Apple running a tight ship in it’s own store and I’m willing to give Apple more time in writing up a document that clearly states what type of apps aren’t allowed. I believe the end user is more important than the developer (sorry about that). I also think that Apple should protect it’s own apps from potential overlap from third-party apps. My reason is that Apple may be in the process of development of more of its own apps and/or Mobile OSX is still lagging behind in development.

    I’m a long-term Apple user and investor, so I believe that Apple knows best how to run the company. I’m not worried about lots of developers pulling out and writing for Android. The educational apps I want are getting developed and that’s good enough for me. In my opinion, I don’t think Apple is in danger destroying the iPhone/Touch platform due to it’s restrictions.

    I haven’t yet looked into the Podcaster fiasco yet. Couldn’t a podcast be made into a strictly music stream instead of just talk?

    I find it hard to believe that Android is going to be perfect right from the start and will allow any type of apps to be uploaded without restriction. I would think it would be a nightmare for whoever has to give support for users when devices start crashing. Is Google going to give support for a dozen different Android-running handsets? More power to them.

    This Android OS must really be something. If it’s that good maybe it should be scaled up for desktop computers.

  13. Jeff

    Regarding “Apple never said that the Ad Hoc distribution process was limited to testing. They only started saying that yesterday.”.

    Have you actually read the NDA that no-one can talk about? I have, and they definitely did describe ad-hoc distribution as for testing only.

    (Of course, it also describes the SDK as “to be only used internally” – interestingly, many developers agree that thats where Apple should put its SDK…)

    This developer, saying ‘nyah, nyah, I’ll use ad-hoc distribution’ got exactly what he should have expected; every *real* developer could see this coming a mile off.

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  15. Mes

    Anyone who likes this idea, does not fully appreciate our God-given freedoms. Maybe you Big Brother watching your every move, dictating every thing you can or can not do or think? Wait until the lawyers get done with eating Apples lunch just like they did with Microsoft. There’s only so much absolute control a company can exert over it users. Until the lawyers prevail … we users will vote with our pocket-book. Unfortunately, it will take time. That’s what Apple is gambling on…

    If you own Apple stock — now is the time to sell. These anti-competitive and restrictive practices will be their downfall.

  16. Jay Weiss

    The following are my personal thoughts and mine alone…

    1) The creator of Podcaster forgot that Apple holds the keys (literally) to the iPhone.
    2) Downloading podcasts takes a LOT of bandwidth and SHOULD have been limited to Wi-Fi connections ONLY. This would have bypassed the ATT bandwidth “argument” and not violated the ATT service agreement.
    3) Storing podcasts in application storage space or in the SQL-Lite database is a BAD idea. Even having “too many applications” is causing memory problems and crashes in the iPhone (Apple, please fix this).
    4) Ad-Hoc distribution was ONLY for development and testing purposes. Selling the application that way violated many parts of the developer’s license agreement.
    5) Apple MUST be forthcoming with the rules regarding unacceptable applications or provide a secure mutually non-disclosed method for developers ask Apple if an idea is acceptable.
    6) Apple MUST clearly communicate the reason(s) for rejecting an application with the developer.
    7) Apple MUST NOT limit free speech regarding the iPhone and development for it. Such limitations are stupid and hurt ALL developers and end users in the long run.

  17. VTH

    “of course I can’t disclose anything given to me under NDA from Apple, nor can anyone else here at MechaWorks. However, going on Apple’s public statements about the Ad Hoc model, there was never any barring of distribution via that channel.”

    I’m puzzled by this logic. Can you explain how a policy in the NDA is less enforceable than a public statement?

    In other words, if it’s in the agreement YOU AGREED TO, then how is it negated if it wasn’t also repeated in public. I’m not trying to be an ass pointing this out, I just want to figure out the logic you’re using.

  18. Danilo - TecnoPDA » Arquivos do site » Apple corta distribuição direta de softwares da iPhone App Store

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  19. jetleets

    in reply to RebelScum – “I’m of the opinion that, I bought it, I should be free to do whatever I want with it.” – duh! what kind of attitude is that? If you buy something, it doesn’t give you a right to do whatever you want with it!

    Buying a computer doesn’t give you the right to be a hacker.
    Buying a hi-fi system doesn’t give you the right to blast it at full volume after midnight.
    Buying a car doesn’t give you the right to roadkills.
    Buying a gun doesn’t give you the right to shoot people.

    It is this kind of attitude that breeds Columbine High School massacre, Virginia Tech massacre and other violent /non-violent crimes.

    Duh!

  20. jetleets

    In reply to RebelScuum – “I hate that phrase “that’s good enough for me”, because it denotes an air of selfishness and a general lack of understanding that just because it’s good enough for YOU does not mean that it shoudl be the defacto way of doing things.”

    Well your “I bought it, I should be free to do whatever I want with it.” sounds just as selfish and even shows a greater lack of understanding that just because you bought it doesnt not mean that you can do anything you want with it!

    It is like saying because i gave birth to a baby, or i am the father of the child, i can do whatever I want to him/her!

    This kind of attitude is sick!

  21. Roy

    Apple sucks! They create a wonderful product & sell it at a premium price then control what I can run on it? Corporate Arrogance! It would be like buying a car stereo and the manufacturer telling me I can only play cd’s with country & western music on it.

  22. RebelScum

    @Jetleets: That argument is, um, stupid.

    Sorry, I usually don’t reduce myself to saying things like that, but this is a special case.

    To compare an inanimate object for which you have paid in order to either make you life easier to manage, or just to show off to your less fortunate friends, family members, and colleagues, to a living breathing and sentient human being is…well…stupid.

    I can’t get over that you’re comparing cell phone ownership with human subjegation. Yes, I am laughing at you here 🙂

    But since you feel the need to:

    What if the company you bought your car from told you you could only drive it a certain amount of miles or only to specific places?

    What if you bought a house but you could only furnish it with things bought at a specific store?

    and so on and so on…

    Phrases like ~Buying a car doesn’t give you the right to roadkills.~ indicate that you have missed the point of not only my posts, but this entire thread, so monumentally and entirely, that there really is no point in arguing with you, actually. In fact, your ramblings are so nonsensical, I have to write this off as some sort of joke.

    Like, duh.

    :tosses cookie to troll:

  23. jetleets

    in reply to Ron – Yes actually they do have DVD region codes where you can only play certain DVDs in certain players! What do you have to say to that? Corporate Arrogance?

  24. jetleets

    in reply to rebelscum – Then i wont buy the car or the house! are you stupid or dumb? hahahaha…

  25. RebelScum

    ~Yes actually they do have DVD region codes where you can only play certain DVDs in certain players! What do you have to say to that? Corporate Arrogance?~

    REALLY???!???!? You’re blaming Corporate Arrogance for NTSC & PAL?!?!?

    http://www.strata.com/support/3dmanual/ch13/ch13_7.html

    Jebus dude. Reading. It’s fundamental.

  26. RebelScum

    ~in reply to rebelscum – Then i wont buy the car or the house! are you stupid or dumb? hahahaha…~

    Ahhhhh, you’re trolling. my bad for responding.

  27. jetleets

    duh! reading? now i am stupid and dumb. hahahah… i am elfing, not trolling.

    By the way. I dont have an iPhone and I don’t like Apple! go figure!

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  30. joegood

    Chaps you are all getting heated up about a device here. Sure I like the IPhone, I bought two of them. However this phone meets my requirements at the moment but I am by no means tied to using it. In the everchanging climate of smartphones I am sure we will have another phone that will out do the IPhone.

    We can all vote with our wallets, we have a choice, but base your choice on relevance, does the device meet my requirements? Am I happy with the ecosystem?

    If the IPhone is no longer relevant in the eyes of the consumer I am sure Apple will listen to the voice of the consumer,

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  33. Jeff

    After this long attack thread, I’m really glad I didn’t buy an iPhone… I don’t like the “group-think” required to like it.

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  36. VTH

    “VTH, you took my reply out of context. Of course the developer agreement could order developers to not distribute via the Ad Hoc model.
    However, I was referring to the information given to the public… which was that the Ad Hoc model was not limited to testing. At no time did Apple say (to the public) that Ad Hoc was only for testing, and that was the knowledge that we, as well as regulators (the FCC and FTC in particular) were given.”

    You still didn’t explain your logic but oh well.

    I would however love to see the FTC filing which “doesn’t” state about Ad Hoc, or that there is some regulation that states that it must do so.

    “We have no idea if Apple said to developers, under NDA, that they could or could not distribute via Ad Hoc.”

    Ahh, now it’s understood. You have NO IDEA yet you complain. So what this really comes down to is a bunch of nerds reading into a contract what they want to read. Bill O’Reilly was right about his dislike for computer geeks. (look in November 17th 2006 if you want to listen to him and yes, if you want to hear all of it you’ll have to give up some coin)

  37. whoDean

    You are mistaken, I worked with other developers on ad hoc and they all KNEW it was limited to 100 users and only for testing.

  38. whoDean

    Apple has never made an announcement to consumers about Ad Hoc, you are stretching the truth.

  39. Terry

    The ability to distribute an app outside iTunes was only allowed during initial development and was never to be used after the iPhone 3g went live. Do some research.

    Apple wasn’t interested in replying to your uninformed screed on your lame web site? What a surprise.

  40. Terry

    “as the consumer was never told that they would be tied to the App Store as the only sales channel. The consumer was told about Ad Hoc, with no mention that it would be limited for testing purposes.”

    You are 100% wrong about this which is not a surprise because you either are just making it up to bolster a lie or its just ignorance on your part. Prove that consumers were never told this.

    For the posters who label people fanboys and use silly terms like “groupthink” you need to consider why you are so insecure as to have to make such childish statements. Or maybe you just aren’t very bright or cannot afford an iPhone.

    I do not think Apple should limit an app because it competes with one of theirs but I am all for them limiting apps that are not stable. See how successful java has not been on phones? Well it hasn’t and thats why. Windows Mobile, Symbian, and Palm are the same. I’m betting Android will be the same as well. Consider the number and quality of apps that are already out for the iPhone in an amazingly short period of time.

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  42. Allan

    Apple is all about control. If Apple’s products weren’t so well designed, Apple would probably be right where everyone else is – commodityville.