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> <channel><title>Comments on: T-Mobile&#8217;s &#8220;Project Dark&#8221; Plans Revealed</title> <atom:link href="http://www.phonenews.com/t-mobiles-project-dark-plans-revealed-9299/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.phonenews.com/t-mobiles-project-dark-plans-revealed-9299/</link> <description>Providing complete coverage of the wireless industry, cell phone news, and future 4G technologies.</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 03:55:49 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: SaltyDawg</title><link>http://www.phonenews.com/t-mobiles-project-dark-plans-revealed-9299/#comment-33374</link> <dc:creator>SaltyDawg</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:06:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.phonenews.com/t-mobiles-project-dark-plans-revealed-9299/#comment-33374</guid> <description>I don&#039;t know for sure what any of the costs are. But there are T-Mobile reps saying if you add a line to a family plan, you pay the add a line fee plus another $30-$40 for smartphone data.
So if that is the case, no matter what the fee is, it still costs more than Sprint.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know for sure what any of the costs are. But there are T-Mobile reps saying if you add a line to a family plan, you pay the add a line fee plus another $30-$40 for smartphone data.</p><p>So if that is the case, no matter what the fee is, it still costs more than Sprint.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Don Louie</title><link>http://www.phonenews.com/t-mobiles-project-dark-plans-revealed-9299/#comment-33369</link> <dc:creator>Don Louie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:20:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.phonenews.com/t-mobiles-project-dark-plans-revealed-9299/#comment-33369</guid> <description>What&#039;s the cost of additional lines for contracts and the bucket plans?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the cost of additional lines for contracts and the bucket plans?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: SaltyDawg</title><link>http://www.phonenews.com/t-mobiles-project-dark-plans-revealed-9299/#comment-33355</link> <dc:creator>SaltyDawg</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:55:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.phonenews.com/t-mobiles-project-dark-plans-revealed-9299/#comment-33355</guid> <description>So it looks like it is $55 to add a line (smartphone) to the T-Mobile unlimited family plan. That makes it around $250 for a 4 line family plan, with no device subsidies (more if you have a subsidized device).
So Sprint is way cheaper. Everything data plan is the same thing as unlimited to pretty much any non business user. And everything data is around $80 per month cheaper for a 4 line family plan, plus you get the device subsildy so you pay less for the actual device.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So it looks like it is $55 to add a line (smartphone) to the T-Mobile unlimited family plan. That makes it around $250 for a 4 line family plan, with no device subsidies (more if you have a subsidized device).</p><p>So Sprint is way cheaper. Everything data plan is the same thing as unlimited to pretty much any non business user. And everything data is around $80 per month cheaper for a 4 line family plan, plus you get the device subsildy so you pay less for the actual device.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Don Louie</title><link>http://www.phonenews.com/t-mobiles-project-dark-plans-revealed-9299/#comment-33354</link> <dc:creator>Don Louie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:04:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.phonenews.com/t-mobiles-project-dark-plans-revealed-9299/#comment-33354</guid> <description>I didn&#039;t mean that as a insult or compliment just that it seemed you were ATT because of the SIM thing. T Mobile upcoming no contract plans are cheaper</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t mean that as a insult or compliment just that it seemed you were ATT because of the SIM thing. T Mobile upcoming no contract plans are cheaper</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: SaltyDawg</title><link>http://www.phonenews.com/t-mobiles-project-dark-plans-revealed-9299/#comment-33352</link> <dc:creator>SaltyDawg</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:20:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.phonenews.com/t-mobiles-project-dark-plans-revealed-9299/#comment-33352</guid> <description>Contrary to your belief Don Louie, I have never been an AT&amp;T fanboy. I just call it like I see it.
If AT&amp;T was the cheapest, I would be sure to say it. With AT&amp;T starting to require a $30 data plan on smartphones now, there is no way they are the cheapest. They did say they will let everyone keep their current data plans if they already have a cheaper data plan. However, if you upgrade your phone you will be required to get the more expensive data plan.
So with that being put into the picture (and that is a new AT&amp;T policy as of 9-6-09) it takes AT&amp;T out of the running for the best deal.
I do still like GSM better than CDMA though. And if AT&amp;T was charging the same amount as Sprint with equal coverage I can&#039;t imagine why anyone would choose Sprint over AT&amp;T.
But as far as price is concerned, Sprint has the cheapest price right now, and I will likely be switching to Sprint if AT&amp;T retentions won&#039;t guarantee that I can keep my current data plan on a new Touch Pro 2 if I pay full retail price.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Contrary to your belief Don Louie, I have never been an AT&amp;T fanboy. I just call it like I see it.</p><p>If AT&amp;T was the cheapest, I would be sure to say it. With AT&amp;T starting to require a $30 data plan on smartphones now, there is no way they are the cheapest. They did say they will let everyone keep their current data plans if they already have a cheaper data plan. However, if you upgrade your phone you will be required to get the more expensive data plan.</p><p>So with that being put into the picture (and that is a new AT&amp;T policy as of 9-6-09) it takes AT&amp;T out of the running for the best deal.</p><p>I do still like GSM better than CDMA though. And if AT&amp;T was charging the same amount as Sprint with equal coverage I can&#8217;t imagine why anyone would choose Sprint over AT&amp;T.</p><p>But as far as price is concerned, Sprint has the cheapest price right now, and I will likely be switching to Sprint if AT&amp;T retentions won&#8217;t guarantee that I can keep my current data plan on a new Touch Pro 2 if I pay full retail price.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Don Louie</title><link>http://www.phonenews.com/t-mobiles-project-dark-plans-revealed-9299/#comment-33346</link> <dc:creator>Don Louie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:20:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.phonenews.com/t-mobiles-project-dark-plans-revealed-9299/#comment-33346</guid> <description>That&#039;s what I need clarification on, the cost of additional lines for both tiers, Sawlty Dawg, would&#039;ve thought you would be touting how ATT is cheaper while discounting the nav and entertainment. Times are changing</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what I need clarification on, the cost of additional lines for both tiers, Sawlty Dawg, would&#8217;ve thought you would be touting how ATT is cheaper while discounting the nav and entertainment. Times are changing</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: SaltyDawg</title><link>http://www.phonenews.com/t-mobiles-project-dark-plans-revealed-9299/#comment-33330</link> <dc:creator>SaltyDawg</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:21:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.phonenews.com/t-mobiles-project-dark-plans-revealed-9299/#comment-33330</guid> <description>How do you figure the T-Mobile &quot;Even More pLus&quot; are cheaper than Sprint? Let me put this into everyday terms here so it&#039;s not so complicated...
Here is what Sprint offers right now on the sprint.com website:
Everythind Data Family plan which includes:
Unlimited calls to and from any cell phone on any carrier, anytime
Unlimited data (even for smartphones)
Unlimited messaging (text, MMS, etc)
Unlimited Sprint Navigation
Unlimited Sprint tv
Nights and weekends start at 7:00 pm (this is 2 hours earlier than T-Mobile, so that comes out to be an extra 2400 anytime minutes per month)
1500 anytime minutes (which are only used for calls to and from landlines during peak hours on weekdays)
With the earlier nights and weekends, that is the same as a 3900 minute T-Mobile plan. And, all calls to and from cell phones are free, so T-Mobile would need a 3900 minute plan where only calls to and from landlines during the peak weekday hours count. This is basically the same thing as unlimited minutes to anyone using the device for personal reasons. Business customers might actually need a truly unlimite dplan, but I can&#039;t imagine any personal user going over the alloted minutes as long as they are only counted towards landline calls during peak hours.
So four smartphones on the above plan will run you $169.97 per month. And, you get a subsidy on the devices.
T-Mobiles Project Dark still has some confusion over how much it actually costs to add a line to a family plan. But the best case scenario on all the things the T-Mobile reps are posting on the various message boards, is the following plan:
Even More Plus family plan:
$200 for 4 smartphone lines with unlimited minutes, texts, and web. And no subsidies on the devices, so you have to either bring your own or pay full retail.
And there is a lot of debate even among T-Mobiel employees if that $200 price is valid or not. A lot of employees say some others are reading the charts wrong, and it will cost even more than $200 for a 4 line family plan on the unsubsidized unlimited family plan.
It doesn&#039;t matter though. Even if it turns out to be as little as $200 (which is looking less and less likely) Sprint is still cheaper by $30 per month. And even though it&#039;s $30 per month cheaper, you get more services (GPS, TV, etc) and you also get a subsidy on your device, so you don&#039;t have to pay full retail.
When you factor in the cost of the device, Sprint is significantly cheaper. compare the cost of 4 Touch Pro 2&#039;s on Sprint, at the subsidized price, on the above plan. Then compare the cost of 4 Touch Pro 2&#039;s on T-Mobile, full retail, with the $200 plan.
It&#039;s not even close. Sprint wins by a country mile.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you figure the T-Mobile &#8220;Even More pLus&#8221; are cheaper than Sprint? Let me put this into everyday terms here so it&#8217;s not so complicated&#8230;<br
/> Here is what Sprint offers right now on the sprint.com website:<br
/> Everythind Data Family plan which includes:<br
/> Unlimited calls to and from any cell phone on any carrier, anytime<br
/> Unlimited data (even for smartphones)<br
/> Unlimited messaging (text, MMS, etc)<br
/> Unlimited Sprint Navigation<br
/> Unlimited Sprint tv<br
/> Nights and weekends start at 7:00 pm (this is 2 hours earlier than T-Mobile, so that comes out to be an extra 2400 anytime minutes per month)<br
/> 1500 anytime minutes (which are only used for calls to and from landlines during peak hours on weekdays)</p><p>With the earlier nights and weekends, that is the same as a 3900 minute T-Mobile plan. And, all calls to and from cell phones are free, so T-Mobile would need a 3900 minute plan where only calls to and from landlines during the peak weekday hours count. This is basically the same thing as unlimited minutes to anyone using the device for personal reasons. Business customers might actually need a truly unlimite dplan, but I can&#8217;t imagine any personal user going over the alloted minutes as long as they are only counted towards landline calls during peak hours.</p><p>So four smartphones on the above plan will run you $169.97 per month. And, you get a subsidy on the devices.</p><p>T-Mobiles Project Dark still has some confusion over how much it actually costs to add a line to a family plan. But the best case scenario on all the things the T-Mobile reps are posting on the various message boards, is the following plan:</p><p>Even More Plus family plan:<br
/> $200 for 4 smartphone lines with unlimited minutes, texts, and web. And no subsidies on the devices, so you have to either bring your own or pay full retail.</p><p>And there is a lot of debate even among T-Mobiel employees if that $200 price is valid or not. A lot of employees say some others are reading the charts wrong, and it will cost even more than $200 for a 4 line family plan on the unsubsidized unlimited family plan.</p><p>It doesn&#8217;t matter though. Even if it turns out to be as little as $200 (which is looking less and less likely) Sprint is still cheaper by $30 per month. And even though it&#8217;s $30 per month cheaper, you get more services (GPS, TV, etc) and you also get a subsidy on your device, so you don&#8217;t have to pay full retail.</p><p>When you factor in the cost of the device, Sprint is significantly cheaper. compare the cost of 4 Touch Pro 2&#8242;s on Sprint, at the subsidized price, on the above plan. Then compare the cost of 4 Touch Pro 2&#8242;s on T-Mobile, full retail, with the $200 plan.</p><p>It&#8217;s not even close. Sprint wins by a country mile.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Don Louie</title><link>http://www.phonenews.com/t-mobiles-project-dark-plans-revealed-9299/#comment-33324</link> <dc:creator>Don Louie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:46:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.phonenews.com/t-mobiles-project-dark-plans-revealed-9299/#comment-33324</guid> <description>Actually the Even More Plus plans are cheaper than Sprint but if you factor in nav they are equal and when the cost of the phone is added they are more</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually the Even More Plus plans are cheaper than Sprint but if you factor in nav they are equal and when the cost of the phone is added they are more</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: SaltyDawg</title><link>http://www.phonenews.com/t-mobiles-project-dark-plans-revealed-9299/#comment-33316</link> <dc:creator>SaltyDawg</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 06:22:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.phonenews.com/t-mobiles-project-dark-plans-revealed-9299/#comment-33316</guid> <description>Hey T-Mobile said they were launching Project Dark specifically so they could take sprint&#039;s #3 spot. So they obvously care about Sprint.
T-Mobile also confirmed that they were talking to Sprint in an attempt to lease their 4G network. So they obviously care about that too.
They failed at getting sprint&#039;s 4G network. If this Project Dark is the best they can do, they will fail at getting Sprint&#039;s #3 spot too.
If T-Mobile eventually lowers their prices to match Sprint&#039;s, then Sprint will lower theirs even more. The Sprint referral plan is way better than anything T-Mobile has, and if Sprint starts marketing that plan (or even something like the old SERO), game over.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey T-Mobile said they were launching Project Dark specifically so they could take sprint&#8217;s #3 spot. So they obvously care about Sprint.</p><p>T-Mobile also confirmed that they were talking to Sprint in an attempt to lease their 4G network. So they obviously care about that too.</p><p>They failed at getting sprint&#8217;s 4G network. If this Project Dark is the best they can do, they will fail at getting Sprint&#8217;s #3 spot too.</p><p>If T-Mobile eventually lowers their prices to match Sprint&#8217;s, then Sprint will lower theirs even more. The Sprint referral plan is way better than anything T-Mobile has, and if Sprint starts marketing that plan (or even something like the old SERO), game over.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: James</title><link>http://www.phonenews.com/t-mobiles-project-dark-plans-revealed-9299/#comment-33309</link> <dc:creator>James</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 03:52:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.phonenews.com/t-mobiles-project-dark-plans-revealed-9299/#comment-33309</guid> <description>Alot less....they&#039;ve lost customers consistently every quarter....again everyone is funny cause their missing the bigger picture. TMO is going after the bigger market value, not Sprint...so again
TMO could care less about sprint....plus this is a soft launch. Stop worrying so much right now about Sprint...you guys sound like you wanna marry sprint and their 4g isnt real its a hyped up 3g...so TMO is testing HSPDA now. This soft launch is a great way to see what works and what doesn&#039;t. If need be I wouldnt be surprised if TMO dropped it to exactly match Sprint&#039;s offer.
Enjoy getting help at one of their stores! -------&gt; sign in here please.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alot less&#8230;.they&#8217;ve lost customers consistently every quarter&#8230;.again everyone is funny cause their missing the bigger picture. TMO is going after the bigger market value, not Sprint&#8230;so again</p><p>TMO could care less about sprint&#8230;.plus this is a soft launch. Stop worrying so much right now about Sprint&#8230;you guys sound like you wanna marry sprint and their 4g isnt real its a hyped up 3g&#8230;so TMO is testing HSPDA now. This soft launch is a great way to see what works and what doesn&#8217;t. If need be I wouldnt be surprised if TMO dropped it to exactly match Sprint&#8217;s offer.</p><p>Enjoy getting help at one of their stores! &#8212;&#8212;-&gt; sign in here please.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
